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V.O
06-11-2012, 09:28 AM
Well I got some goodies for the wraith but I think I am doing something wrong :brickwall: or maybe the parts I got were incorrect. I am trying to setup my wraith with highsteer and the draglink bar seems to be too short as well as the stock servo arm. What do you guy recommend? Do I need a longer draglink or a longer servo arm or what?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/JeepJosh125/IMAG1350.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/JeepJosh125/IMAG1347.jpg

bbking9
06-11-2012, 09:49 AM
Hmmm. I dont use high steer but the drag link and Tie Rod bar are indeed to short.

GO to rccrawler.com look under the wraith section.

Tremelle
06-11-2012, 10:12 AM
Try flipping the servo. That will position the servo spindle on the right side.

bbking9
06-11-2012, 10:14 AM
That Tremelle - he is soooo smart !!!

ace138
06-11-2012, 10:32 AM
yes, flip the servo and lose the riser pad on ur draglink mount (if possible).

V.O
06-11-2012, 10:38 AM
Try flipping the servo. That will position the servo spindle on the right side.

GREAT IDEA! Thanks for your help!

V.O
08-17-2012, 09:30 AM
Update: I flipped the servo & all was good with the reach of the draglink, but my knuckles be ing
high clearance it seemed like it was causing the steering to get bound up because it was all so close to each other. That and the knuckles were too big to clear my wheels even with a good offset. So I ditched the knuckles (HR), went back to stock and wheeled it up until last night.

Recently My buddy hooked me up with a Chassis mount for my servo so I thought I would move my servo up and hopefully my binding issue in my steering would be fixed. So I switched back to the HR knuckles, and switched the HR steering to VP because I needed longer links now for the CMS. So after putting it all back together it all seemed to work.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/JeepJosh125/IMAG1613.jpg

But now when I cycled the suspension up on the passengers side it turns my steering to the right. its seems like something is binding up again and forcing it to turn slightly to the right. Is this maybe a simple adjustment? Maybe something is too long or maybe needs to be shorter??

Let me know what you think, heres a quick vid to show you whats happening.

http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/JeepJosh125/Wraith/?action=view&current=VIDEO0118.mp4

ace138
08-17-2012, 11:07 AM
It looks like it's the drag link angle, that is causing it to bump steer.

ace138
08-17-2012, 11:19 AM
To make that setup work, you are going to have to slam the susp and run a new drag link. The more closer the drag link angle is to the tierod, the less bump steer you will have.

V.O
08-20-2012, 09:04 AM
I moved my tierod above my knuckles and also lowered the springs tension all the way. It seemed to help with the bump steer but I still dont have great turning radius. Any ideas?

New lower stance, the steering angles look a lot better.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/JeepJosh125/IMAG1616.jpg

bbking9
08-20-2012, 10:01 AM
Hate to be the devils advocate - but why all the changes to the front end?

The stock setup works perfectly and will give you a ton of steering.

Just curious.

V.O
08-20-2012, 10:46 AM
Yeah no worries for the questions. I was trying to get it setup with high steer, and it seemed to me that the links were getting bound up and hitting each other with the servo on the axle and the knuckles being too high up. So I thought CMS would be the ticket. Since I already bought the knuckles and the CMS was a gift I thought it would all work out well.

V.O
08-20-2012, 11:16 AM
Would a longer servo horn fix me up?

bbking9
08-20-2012, 03:43 PM
I bet it would help a lot. I think over on rccrawler.com - someone suggested a panhard kit. Whatever that is.

I just run a stock front end - so not sure what all this fancy stuff is.

Sh0rtBus
08-21-2012, 10:22 AM
The panhard kit is another term for a scale track bar. It's main function is to keep the axle centered under the rig and doesn't allow for side-to-side movement. Probably not a bad idea for the Wraith. From everything I've read thus far, it does indeed help correct bumpsteer.

mikeTRON
08-29-2012, 09:30 AM
I would avoid the panhard kit. Read some more about people installing them then removing them.

ace138
08-30-2012, 11:07 AM
Trackbar / panhard bars are not needed for Tri 4link susps. The angled upper and lower links keep the axle from moving side to side. The only way a track/Panhard bar would improve bump steer, is by limiting susp travel. :thumbsup:

ace138
08-30-2012, 11:16 AM
IMO Axial did a killer job on the design of the Wraith. I can't believe the stock plasic links (susp & steering) on mine are still holding up great after all the abuse I put them through. When they go, I might replace them with stock plastic ones, lol :eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:

V.O
08-30-2012, 02:17 PM
Muuuuaaaahahahahahaa!!! Torque Master Pro Baby! I love it! BBking! Excellent choice! :SpicyPBJ: :bow:

bbking9
08-30-2012, 06:24 PM
Muuuuaaaahahahahahaa!!! Torque Master Pro Baby! I love it! BBking! Excellent choice! :SpicyPBJ: :bow:


If you got the money - honey - I got the time. That is a BA motor.

What else you need ??:smokin:

Danno
08-30-2012, 07:48 PM
I use the panhard on my wraith, but I wanted to raise the servo up off the axle. One reason was to protect it, and second reason was for looks of hiding the servo. If using the Vanquish CMS kit, you have to use the panhard kit as well. At least that is what I read on RC Crawler prior to buying mine.

V.O
09-20-2012, 10:24 AM
Update:

So in hopes to be able to actually use my Wraith I moved the servo back down to the axle and go it all back to where I thought was normal
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/JeepJosh125/IMAG1750_zps4e50efc3.jpg
now.....Its like I have too much steering..:brickwall: And the t-bones are coming out of the hub. Any ideas what caused this?


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/JeepJosh125/IMAG1752_zps8dcdd959.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/JeepJosh125/IMAG1751_zpsf0775301.jpg

Does this look like too great of a steering angle??
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/JeepJosh125/IMAG1753_zpsbe072ae6.jpg

Thanks for any help I can get. I just wanna wheel it, and not have to always try to fix a problem

ace138
09-20-2012, 10:31 AM
Looks 100% better, now you just need some CVDs & beef tubes :wink:

V.O
09-20-2012, 10:33 AM
Looks 100% better, now you just need some CVDs & beef tubes :wink:

I'm hoping the CVD's fix my problem....Do you think it will? Not sure what the beef tubes do or if I even need them right now.

ace138
09-20-2012, 10:33 AM
Or if you are a cheap B, like me use your radio to trim back the steering throw alittle. :mrgreen:

ace138
09-20-2012, 10:34 AM
If you want max steering out of your axle, you will need CVDs.

ace138
09-20-2012, 10:35 AM
Thats for every axle that uses dog bones.

V.O
09-20-2012, 10:40 AM
Well I'm hoping the CVD's will do the trick. I really want to bring the wraith with me this weekend to CA. Keep me entertained while at my Brother in laws house. So hopefully I'll get them installed tonight after meet you.

ace138
09-20-2012, 11:15 AM
I brought them with me today. I 'll call when I'm on my way home from the office(office is at 121 and 114).

V.O
09-20-2012, 12:37 PM
I brought them with me today. I 'll call when I'm on my way home from the office(office is at 121 and 114).

Ok bud. I can swing by there on my lunch if that works for you??? That way you don't have to leave the house after work. Just an idea.

ace138
09-20-2012, 12:56 PM
My lunch break is at 5pm, if you wanna meet up.

V.O
09-20-2012, 01:10 PM
ohhhhh- 5pm and 121 & 114 scare me. Unless it's gotten better since the last time I was over there.

bbking9
09-20-2012, 09:05 PM
My lunch break is at 5pm, if you wanna meet up.

Lunch is at 5 PM. Thought you got off at 7PM - not 10PM :blah:

V.O
09-20-2012, 09:22 PM
Ace, it was nice meeting & chatting with you tonight. Thank you so much for meeting me on such short notice.

Great sucess! So far so good! I LOVE THESE CVD'S!!!

ace138
09-21-2012, 09:56 AM
Glad to hear! It was nice meeting you too. We need to do some 1:1 wheeling soon. Once Nacho is done, I'm going to be working on getting my TJ back in shape. It needs new control arm bushings, and an E brake. See ya on the trails:thumbsup: